[indie]

HI, LIKE A LOT OF YOU I TRIED EVERY TYPE OF HALTER YOU CAN IMAGINE. I FOUND THAT THE 'HALTI' DIDNT DO ANYTHING TO STOP MY DOG PULLING OR GOING CRAZEY AT OTHER DOGS. WITH DOGS THIS SIZE YOU NEED SOMETHING THAT WORKS AND NIPS IT IN THE BUD QUICKLY! I LOVED THE LOOK OF THE 'DOGMATIC' HEAD HALTER AND IT IS A BEAUTIFULLY MADE PIECE OF EQUIPMENT AND LOOKS FAB BUT SADLY I FOUND THAT IT DIDNT REALLY DO MUCH TO RESTRAIN MY DOG ONCE HE WAS IN 'MENTAL' MODE! HOWEVER, IT WAS STILL MUCH BETTER THAN JUST USING THE LEAD ON HIS COLLAR I HAVE TO SAY. I STILL WASNT SATISFIED WITH IT THOUGH BECAUSE IT STILL MADE MY LIFE HARD WORK AND ALWAYS A WORRY WHILST OUT WITH MY BOY. I WAS ON THE INTERNET ONE DAY AND I STUMBLED ACROSS THE 'GENCON' HEAD HALTER OR 'GENTLE CONTROLLER' AS ITS ALSO KNOWN. I ACTUALLY DIDNT HOLD MUCH HOPE FOR IT BUT I WAS SO DESPERATE I SENT FOR IT ANYWAY. IT IS A MATERIAL HEAD COLLAR THAT FITS IN THE SAME POSITION AS ALL THE OTHERS, OVER THE NOSE AND AROUND THE BACK OF THE NECK BUT THE DIFFERENCE IS THAT IT IS IN A FIGURE OF 8 AND WHEN THE DOG PULLS IT TIGHTENS UP BEHIND THE EARS AND STOPS YOUR DOG QUITE LITERALLY IN HIS TRACKS! I FOUND THAT THE 'DOGMATIC' AND ALL OF THE OTHERS ACTUALLY WERE RIDING UP NEAR MY DOGS EYES EVEN THOUGH THEY STATE THIS DOESNT HAPPEN! THE 'GENCON' SIMPLY DOES NOT DO THIS AND THATS A PROMISE! ALSO, MUCH CHEAPER THAN THE 'DOGMATIC'! I THINK MINE WAS A TENNER PLUS DELIVERY FOR THE LARGEST SIZE. SOMETHING LIKE THAT ANYWAY! IT IS A REALLY LIGHT WEIGHT AND THEYVE EVEN PRODUCED ONE THAT IS EVEN SOFTER NOW. IT REALLY IS BRILLIANT AND HAS PUT AN END TO ALL MY PROBLEMS WITH INDIE. IF YOU TYPE IN 'GENCON' ON YOUR BROWSER IT WILL BRING IT UP. TAKE A LOOK, IM SURE YOU'LL BE AS AMAZED WITH THE RESULTS AS IVE BEEN! I CAN QUITE EASILY RESTRAIN MY BOY WITH ONE HAND NO PROBLEM IF HE GOES MENTAL AT A DOG PASSING AND THATS SOMETHING I WOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN ABLE TO DO WITH ANY OF THE OTHERS! JUST THOUGHT ID SHARE THIS WITH YOU BECAUSE I KNOW ONLY TOO WELL WHAT IT CAN BE LIKE IF YOU'RE HAVING PROBLEMS. THANKS, KERRY AND OF COURSE, INDIE

[kimscot]

KERRY, MY DARLING, THANKYOU. I BOUGHT ALFIE BOOTS TWO HALTIS AT BELTON HORSE TRIALS AND HE CHEWED THROUGH BOTH...I AM GONNA ORDER THIS IMMEDIATELY AND IF IT WORKS I OWE YOU A HUGE DRINK AND INDIE A VERY LARGE BONE....
MUCH LOVE AND HOPE WITH LOTS OF FAITH..
KIM XXX

[indie]

KERRY, MY DARLING, THANKYOU. I BOUGHT ALFIE BOOTS TWO HALTIS AT BELTON HORSE TRIALS AND HE CHEWED THROUGH BOTH...I AM GONNA ORDER THIS IMMEDIATELY AND IF IT WORKS I OWE YOU A HUGE DRINK AND INDIE A VERY LARGE BONE....
MUCH LOVE AND HOPE WITH LOTS OF FAITH..
KIM XXX

HI KIM, YE, DEF GIVE IT A GO. IM REALLY AM THAT AMAZED BY IT OTHERWISE I WOULDNT BE RECOMMENDING IT TO ANYONE. IVE SPENT A FORTUNE ON ONE THING OR ANOTHER AND ALTHOUGH THEY DO RESTRICT TO A CERTAIN EXTENT I WAS STILL HAVING A NIGHTMARE WITH INDIE BECAUSE THEY JUST WERENT GOOD ENOUGH. THATS JUST MY OPINION THOUGH! I JUST KNOW YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE DISAPPOINTED. WELL, HOPEFULLY NOT OTHERWISE IM GONNA LOOK REALLY STUPID!!! LOL. THEY ALSO DO A HEADCOLLAR/LEAD ALL IN ONE. THAT LOOKS GOOD TOO BUT I DECIDED TO OPT FOR THE HEADCOLLAR ONLY BECAUSE THAT WAY I CAN LEAVE IT ON HIM IF HES OFF LEAD AND I JUST UNCLIP HIS LEAD. THERES A RIGHT AND A WRONG WAY TO PUT IT ON SO JUST MAKE SURE THAT THE RING THAT YOU WOULD ATTACH LEAD TO IS ON SAME SAME SIDE OF YOUR LEG THAT YOU WOULD WALK HIM NEXT TO. SOUNDS DAFT I KNOW BUT IF YOU PUT IT ON AND THEN WALK HIM ON OTHERSIDE OF YOU IT DOESNT RELEASE ITSELF PROPERLY! I MUST COME ACROSS LIKE A RIGHT NO IT ALL BUT IM NOT, HONEST!! IVE JUST LEARNT THE HARD WAY! LET ME KNOW HOW YOU FIND IT, KERRY AND INDIE XX

[Donna]

Um, that looks interesting. Might give that a go. We have tried half choke, halti, dogmatic, harness (when he was younger) and even the Cesar Milan illusion collar. All work to some degree, but not perfect. Although, quite liking the dogmatic at the mo. My OH is getting fed up with me keep trying things out, Might just order it and not tell him

D

[indie]

Um, that looks interesting. Might give that a go. We have tried half choke, halti, dogmatic, harness (when he was younger) and even the Cesar Milan illusion collar. All work to some degree, but not perfect. Although, quite liking the dogmatic at the mo. My OH is getting fed up with me keep trying things out, Might just order it and not tell him

D

YE, I KNOW WHAT YOU MEAN. MOST OF MINE WERE ORDERED IN SECRACY!!! LOL I FOUND WITH THE DOGMATIC THAT I WAS STILL STRUGGLING TO HOLD MY DOG BACK BECAUSE THE DESIGN OF IT DOESNT ACTUALLY DO ANYTHING WHERE AS THE GENCON TIGHTENS WHEN THE DOG PULLS OR LUNGES AT OTHER DOGS ETC. OBVIOUSLY, THEY DONT LIKE THAT AND QUICKLY LEARN WHAT HAPPENS IF THEY BEHAVE BADLY. IN ALL HONEST, INDIE STILL ACTS BADLY TOWARDS DOGS ON A VERY RARE OCCASION BUT I HAVE THE PEACE OF MIND TO KNOW THAT I CAN CONTROL THE SITUATION WITH ONE HAND!!! AND THE PROBLEM IS SORTED OUT VERY QUICKLY. I FELT THAT I WAS STILL NOT FULLY IN CONTROL OF MY DOG WITH THE DOGMATIC AND ALL THE OTHERS. THEY MIGHT BE OK FOR A DOG THAT ISNT AS BIG AND STRONG SO IM NOT TRYING TO SAY THEYRE BAD IN ANYWAY, JUST NOT ADEQUATE FOR MY NEEDS. WALKING MY INDIE USED TO BE SOMETHING I DREADED AND I HATED THINKING OF IT LIKE THAT. NOW, I MAY OCCASIONLY I ENCOUNTER PROBLEMS BUT I KNOW THAT I CAN NIP IT IN THE BUD RIGHT AWAY WITH EASE. NEEDLESS TO SAY I NOW LOVE WALKING HIM. ID BE INTERESTED TO KNOW IF YOU AGREE SHOULD YOU BUY ONE. I SHOULD BE ON COMMISSION WITH GENCON!!!! LOL GOOD LUCK!

[brindlegirl]

HI INDIE, IS THE GENCON THE SAME AS THE CANNY COLLAR?

[brindlegirl]

HI INDIE, IS THE GENCON THE SAME AS THE CANNY COLLAR?

IGNORE ME.
JUST HAD A DELVE IN PIES DRESSING UP CUPBOARD AND ANWSERED MY OWN QUESTION.
I HAVE ONE OF EVERYTHING IN THERE.
2 HALTIS
1 CANNY COLLAR
1 GENCON.

[indie]

HI INDIE, IS THE GENCON THE SAME AS THE CANNY COLLAR?

IGNORE ME.
JUST HAD A DELVE IN PIES DRESSING UP CUPBOARD AND ANWSERED MY OWN QUESTION.
I HAVE ONE OF EVERYTHING IN THERE.
2 HALTIS
1 CANNY COLLAR
1 GENCON.

HIYA, NO, ITS COMPLETELEY DIFFERENT. i ALSO HAD ONE OF THOSE AND IT DIDNT HELP ME AT ALL. I THOUGHT IT WAS PRETTY USELESS TO BE HONEST! :-)

[chez]

I've seen one of these...a friend bought form a country show and yes they look brilliant. I reckon they are "compact" enough to keep in your pocket as a reserve weapon. We can't use headgear on Bo and most of the time he doesn't need it...but its always comforting to think you have back up just in case

[Donna]

Oooh, I ordered one of these yesterday. I will report back on how we get on with it

D

[Dave&Mira]

will have to order one as well. We use dogmatics but as you said they don't work 100%. It works on Daphne because she is a small dane but having problems with Drake when we meet other dogs...

[indie]

will have to order one as well. We use dogmatics but as you said they don't work 100%. It works on Daphne because she is a small dane but having problems with Drake when we meet other dogs...

HIYA, YE, ID DEF GIVE IT A GO. THEY ALSO SELL THEM ON E-BAY SOMETIMES. I COULDNT BE WITHOUT MINE NOW. MY DOG INDIE WAS FRIGHTEND TO DEATH A FEW WEEKS AGO WHEN THERE WAS A CAR CRASH RIGHT NEXT TO US. HE KIND OF BOLTED AND I KNOW THAT I WOULDNT HAVE BEEN ABLE TO HOLD ON TO HIS LEAD IF HE HADNT BEEN WEARING THE GENCON. HE WAS ALSO SPOOKED ONCE WHILST WE WERE OUT WHEN IT THUNDERED AND THE SAME THING HAPPEND. I THINK ITS BRILLIANT AND IT DEF DOES THE JOB FOR ME!

[indie]

will have to order one as well. We use dogmatics but as you said they don't work 100%. It works on Daphne because she is a small dane but having problems with Drake when we meet other dogs...

HIYA, INDIE WAS JUST THE SAME AND STILL IS ON OCCASION WITH SOME DOGS. I USED TO FIND IT DIFFICULT TO CONTROL HIM PROPERLY ON OTHER HEAD HALTERS ETC. TO BE HONEST, I REALLY LOVED THE LOOK OF MY DOGMATIC AND WISHED IT HAD WORKED BUT I FOUND THAT IT DIDNT DO MUCH AT ALL REALLY AND I WAS DISAPPOINTED. I ALSO FOUND THAT IT RODE UP NEAR HIS EYES. THE GENCON DOESNT DO THAT BECAUSE IT IS IN A FIGURE OF 8 AND CROSSES OVER UNDERNEATH THE CHIN PREVENTING THIS HAPPENING. WHEN I READ ABOUT IT I THOUGHT, OH YE, THEY ALL SAY THAT BUT THIS REALLY DOES WORK. OTHERS MIGHT NOT FEEL THE SAME BUT WHEN I SAY INDIE GOES CRAZEY AT OTHER DOGS I REALLY MEAN CRAZEY!!! AS YOU'LL KNOW, HOLDING A 10 STONE DOG BACK WHEN ITS IN 'MENTAL' MODE ISNT EASY AT THE BEST OF TIMES BUT I REALLY CAN CONTROL HIM WITH ONE HAND WITH THIS HEAD HALTER! GOOD LUCK

[indie]

Oooh, I ordered one of these yesterday. I will report back on how we get on with it

D

HIYA, YE, ID LIKE TO KNOW WHAT YOU THINK TO IT. OTHERS MAY NOT AGREE WITH ME BUT I HONESTLY COULD NOT BE WITHOUT MINE AND IVE TRIED EVERYTHING THERE IS!!! GOOD LUCK, SPEAK TO YOU SOON, KERRY AND INDIE

I've seen one of these...a friend bought form a country show and yes they look brilliant. I reckon they are "compact" enough to keep in your pocket as a reserve weapon. We can't use headgear on Bo and most of the time he doesn't need it...but its always comforting to think you have back up just in case

HI AGAIN, I SO LOVE YOUR DOG!!! YE, YOURE RIGHT, THEY ARE REALLY COMPACT AND THATS A GOOD IDEA OF YOURS TO HAVE IT AT HAND JUST INCASE. SPEAK TO YOU SOON, KERRY AND INDIE

[DreamingofBlu]

Hi Kerry,,

I am probably thinking of the wrong head collar,,but I was told they can slip out of these? Am I thinking of the wrong one?
I might have a look at this one too,,as Sugar doesnt like her dogmatic at all Tried a leather one and a Fabric one

Thanks

Rach
xx

[indie]

Hi Kerry,,

I am probably thinking of the wrong head collar,,but I was told they can slip out of these? Am I thinking of the wrong one?
I might have a look at this one too,,as Sugar doesnt like her dogmatic at all Tried a leather one and a Fabric one

Thanks

Rach
xx

HI RACH, THE GOOD THING ABOUT THIS IS THAT EVEN IF THEY MANAGE TO SLIP THERE NOSE OUT OF IT WHICH I THINK THEY COULD ONLY MANAGE TO DO IF THEY WERE NOT ATTACHED TO A LEAD IT STILL REMAINS AROUND THE NECK LIKE A COLLAR WOULD SO ALTHOUGH THE HALTER WOULDNT HAVE THE SAME EFFECT YOU WOULD STILL HAVE A HOLD OF THEM WHICH IS A GOOD THING. MY DOG HAS NEVER COME OUT OF THE NOSE PART WHILST WALKING HIM, I DONT THINK THAT WOULD BE EASY TO DO TO BE HONEST. ITS COMPLETELEY DIFFERENT DESIGN TO THE DOGMATIC, CANNY COLLAR, HALTI ETC. IT WORKS ON A FIGURE OF EIGHT AND WOULD TIGHTEN WITH EVEN A SLIGHT PULLING FORWARD MOVEMENT FROM YOUR DOG. IT THEN RELEAES ITSELF WHEN THEY STOP IT. ONCE ON YOUR DOG YOU MUST WALK WITH YOUR DOG ON THE CORRECT SIDE TO CORRESPOND TO HOW YOU HAVE FITTED IT ON YOUR DOG BECAUSE IF YOU SUDDENLY DECIDE TO HOLD YOUR DOGS LEAD ON A DIFFERENT SIDE TO WALK HIM ON THEN IT WONT RELEASE ITSELF PROPERLY! GOOD LUCK KERRY AND INDIE

[Donna]

I got the Gencon in the post this morning. Off to take Bruce out soon and to try it out. Have tried it on him and looks ok so far.

Will let you know how it goes.

D

[Donna]

Gencon was good, Bruce behaved around dogs today so could not really test it out. But it was nice to walk with and feels sturdy but gentle (like it says on the box)

Did have an eventful walk in another way though. Posted this about the walk http://www.sullyworl...mp;#entry248359

[DreamingofBlu]

Hi Kerry,,

I am probably thinking of the wrong head collar,,but I was told they can slip out of these? Am I thinking of the wrong one?
I might have a look at this one too,,as Sugar doesnt like her dogmatic at all Tried a leather one and a Fabric one

Thanks

Rach
xx

HI RACH, THE GOOD THING ABOUT THIS IS THAT EVEN IF THEY MANAGE TO SLIP THERE NOSE OUT OF IT WHICH I THINK THEY COULD ONLY MANAGE TO DO IF THEY WERE NOT ATTACHED TO A LEAD IT STILL REMAINS AROUND THE NECK LIKE A COLLAR WOULD SO ALTHOUGH THE HALTER WOULDNT HAVE THE SAME EFFECT YOU WOULD STILL HAVE A HOLD OF THEM WHICH IS A GOOD THING. MY DOG HAS NEVER COME OUT OF THE NOSE PART WHILST WALKING HIM, I DONT THINK THAT WOULD BE EASY TO DO TO BE HONEST. ITS COMPLETELEY DIFFERENT DESIGN TO THE DOGMATIC, CANNY COLLAR, HALTI ETC. IT WORKS ON A FIGURE OF EIGHT AND WOULD TIGHTEN WITH EVEN A SLIGHT PULLING FORWARD MOVEMENT FROM YOUR DOG. IT THEN RELEAES ITSELF WHEN THEY STOP IT. ONCE ON YOUR DOG YOU MUST WALK WITH YOUR DOG ON THE CORRECT SIDE TO CORRESPOND TO HOW YOU HAVE FITTED IT ON YOUR DOG BECAUSE IF YOU SUDDENLY DECIDE TO HOLD YOUR DOGS LEAD ON A DIFFERENT SIDE TO WALK HIM ON THEN IT WONT RELEASE ITSELF PROPERLY! GOOD LUCK KERRY AND INDIE

Thanks for that Kerry,,am def going to get one of these,,will let you know how we get on,,thanks again for posting

Rach
xx

[brindlegirl]

[quote name='DreamingofBlu' date='Jul 9 2009, 08:02 PM' post='248202']
Hi Kerry,,

I am probably thinking of the wrong head collar,,but I was told they can slip out of these? Am I thinking of the wrong one?
I might have a look at this one too,,as Sugar doesnt like her dogmatic at all Tried a leather one and a Fabric one

Thanks

Rach
xx
[/quot

rach i think its the canny collar that they can slip out of. i got one for pie but didnt use it for that reason.
i tried him in the gencon, it was very good but he hated it, unlike the dogmatic which he doesnt really mind.